Ph1llip
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There you go again deflecting when you're quoted
You said this:
And I asked whether you actually believed what you said above.
We're conversing in English, it ain't that hard
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You said this:
We're conversing in English, it ain't that hard
spARTacus
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Not sure what you think I was deflecting. I did indeed ask whether or not we want to now entrust short term thinking methodologies for about decisions for the future of mankind. I am still interested in what some people think as an answer to that question. Some of the other discussions pointed out that the west was not very smart with short term profiting only thinking over several past decades, many western companies moving work to China to try to maximize profits and China taking advantage of the situation. So should we repeat that sort of short term thinking, maybe take a chance that it'll work out better for us for the climate change topic then it did for the protecting our valuable IP topic? Are we willing to take the chance?There you go again deflecting when you're quoted
You said this:
And I asked whether you actually believed what you said above.
We're conversing in English, it ain't that hard
SteinwayTransitCorp
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Companies need to go back to long term thinking, not just the last quarter. Until that happens "and I think not" we will continue down this dead end road.
spARTacus
Well-known member
So how do we "encourage" better longer term thinking?
SteinwayTransitCorp
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The government needs to stop throwing money around
SteinwayTransitCorp
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Very true, most cannot afford not to for speed. Time is coming when the amount of people killed or maimed may cause the outcry needed to start the change
Ph1llip
Active member
It's not the same thing!
One (Global "Warming") is a Complex Model about which we know precious little and the other is about human greed, savings and least-cost manufacturing, something we know EVERYTHING about and which is as old as the hills.
You want cheap crap made? Give it to the Chinese. You want to predict Earth's climate decades from now? They can't even predict next month's!
spARTacus
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Well I think there probably are some inconsistency across some of the postings, isn't there?
Down with China, but let natural western free market wishes and demand for cheap goods and consumerism sort things out.
Down with China, but western governments shouldn't try to impact free market consumerism.
Down with China, but the Admiral who is warning us about the same is only talking for show.
Down with EBikes, but everyone wants them and natural western free market will sort things out.
Down with EBikes because they are currently dangerous due to cheap production and design methods, but the government shouldn't dictate.
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Down with China, but let natural western free market wishes and demand for cheap goods and consumerism sort things out.
Down with China, but western governments shouldn't try to impact free market consumerism.
Down with China, but the Admiral who is warning us about the same is only talking for show.
Down with EBikes, but everyone wants them and natural western free market will sort things out.
Down with EBikes because they are currently dangerous due to cheap production and design methods, but the government shouldn't dictate.
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Ph1llip
Active member
You're positing binary arguments. They're not.
Let's take the first line as an example:
Down with China, but let natural western free market wishes and demand for cheap goods and consumerism sort things out.
Since when was China the ONLY manufacturing base for the West? There's South America, the subcontinent, Africa, Eastern Europe, etc. You can ABSOLUTELY say "Down with China" and the second part of the sentence can still be true.
Do keep up Spartz
spARTacus
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What's the scale of cheap consumerism goods from those places, relatively in comparison? I'd agree that those could be relied upon. Not sure a massive additional transition to those will happen (against short term profit market kind of thinking and deciding) in the absence of policy or propaganda (or dare I refer to it as regulation) in order to move it along.You're positing binary arguments. They're not.
Let's take the first line as an example:
Down with China, but let natural western free market wishes and demand for cheap goods and consumerism sort things out.
Since when was China the ONLY manufacturing base for the West? There's South America, the subcontinent, Africa, Eastern Europe, etc. You can ABSOLUTELY say "Down with China" and the second part of the sentence can still be true.
Do keep up Spartz
SteinwayTransitCorp
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It’s comes to a tiger chasing its tail, you outsource good jobs creating the need for cheap goods. Creating the need to outsource more jobs.