Crap more science runs into those dam facts!

SteinwayTransitCorp

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To believe in the climate change hoax, you must believe 5 (palpably untrue) things:



CO2 is the “control knob” for the climate. This has been proven to be ridiculous. CO2 makes up only about 0.04% of the atmosphere, while 96–99% of the atmosphere is oxygen and nitrogen. Water vapor, a much larger determinant of temperature, varies from 1-4%. But what determines temperature more than anything else? Changes in the Earth’s solar orbit (obviously). NASA has admitted this.

CO2 is harmful. Wrong! CO2 is plant food. Humans inhale oxygen and exhale CO2. Plants do the reverse. It is scientific fact that higher levels of CO2 lead to greater plant growth. This is essential if we are going to continue to be able to feed an increasing world population and one of the reasons why the planet now supports 8 billion humans.



We are at historically high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. Again, not true. We are actually at historically low levels of CO2. Before the Industrial Revolution, the seminal starting point for climate hysteria (often cited by climate hysterics), the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere was approximately 290 ppm (parts per million). Plant life begins to succumb (it dies) around 150ppm. The amount of CO2 currently in the atmosphere is roughly 420ppm.

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Image by AI.

But is this historically high? Hardly. During the period of the dinosaurs, cold-blooded reptiles that required warm climates, consumed massive volumes of vegetation, and perished when the earth cooled, CO2 levels were roughly 3600ppm, creating the Jurassic conditions that enabled the dinosaurs to flourish, roaming the earth for millions of years.






Were the dinosaurs driving larger SUVs than Americans now drive? What caused CO2 levels to reach such heights then? It certainly wasn’t humans. It occurred, as it always does and has, due to solar cycles, which NASA has admitted.

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Image. Oak Ridge National Lab. Public domain.

As the linked article states,

The data clearly establishes that there has always been a cycle to CO2 long before man’s industrial age. This is data government wants to hide. As along as they can pretend CO2 has never risen in the past before 1950, then they can tax the air and pretend it’s to prevent climate change. Moreover, while we can clean the air with regulation as we have done, under global warming, they allow “credits” to pollute as long as you pay the government. It is the ultimate scam where they get to tax pollution and people cheer rather than clean up anything.
The more accurate way to describe our current CO2 situation is that we are experiencing a CO2 famine that could lead to the disappearance of plant life:


It's nonsensical to create government policies based on future hypotheticals about natural processes. Does it make sense that anybody would base policy (and spend money) on predicting what could happen in the future? Are there not infinite possibilities as to what could happen?

The odds of predicting correctly are far worse than winning Powerball. Who in his right mind believes that any person or computer model can predict the future? Anybody that does should be asked if he (or she) is willing to place a meaningful amount of their personal wealth on the line. Furthermore, if somebody really were able to predict the future, would they be predicting the weather, or would they be predicting perhaps stock market and individual equity moves, or perhaps lottery numbers?

The conclusion: Any attempt to predict the future is a guess. Models that are, and have been, wildly inaccurate are not science; they are science fiction. Neither anybody nor anything can predict even next week’s weather accurately due to the millions of atmospheric and stellar variables. This is so obvious that we still must GUESS as to the path and severity of a hurricane—even after it’s formed.

If we can’t even predict the weather, how can we control it? If you still have arrived at a point where you believe that CO2 is the weather control knob, it’s harmful, we’re at historically high levels of it, and that the US government (or any other entity on earth, perhaps maybe the UN) can predict the weather, then how would they go about controlling it?

If the US government could control the weather, then why didn’t it stop Helene (September 26, 2024) or Milton (October 7, 2024) before all that destruction and save FEMA from the bother of having to clean up? Why didn’t the National Weather Service or NASA stop it? Well, it’s because the US government, which can’t even stop illegals at the Southern border, can’t do anything to stop modest changes in atmospheric CO2 levels.

And let’s say at this point that you’re still a “believer.” Do you really even believe that the pathological liars in the US government can control enough of the weather on our side of the planet that it can offset activity in the rest of the world? What if a volcano erupts? What then? And how do you factor into all this the fact that China is building a new coal-fired power plant each week (52 per year)?

“The greatest folly is to believe in the palpably untrue. It is the chief occupation of mankind.” – HL Mencken

Jonathan Gault is a pseudonym.
 

spARTacus

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To believe in the climate change hoax, you must believe...

Did you actually read those words you copy and paste posted? I don't think it's a very well written piece. Do you believe that piece demonstrates science and facts behind what it is trying to articulate?

I found it funny that the piece tried to assert what the core beliefs were behind all of what any or all climate change believers believe in. I think the purpose of the piece was actually more about telling you what it wants you to believe, about what climate change believers believe, while at the same time also trying to dismiss to you about climate change and believers beliefs, as something else it wants you to believe. Did the author succeed in convincing you to believe in all of what they wanted you to believe?

I could only cleanly find 3 of 5 core beliefs listed by the author in the piece. For me, the piece doesn't seem to list out whatever the author thought was the other 2 of 5 core climate change believers beliefs. After somewhat cleanly listing near the start of the piece about 3 of 5 things the author wanted to express as believers core beliefs, the author then seemed to get into beliefs and arguements that the author believes in, no longer about what the author was trying to say as core beliefs of climate change believers. What did you understand, from what the piece wrote, to be the 5 core beliefs of climate change believers?

I found the point the author tried to make about CO2 not being harmful to be quite laughable, in context of what the author did not say about CO2 also being harmful. In a comparable sense, in order for what the author said to make any logical sense, to me the author would basically also have to argue that H2O is completely safe, while ignoring the fact many people frequently drown in H2O and lots of life on earth is also frequently wiped out from storms/floods. Did you catch that?

I found that the piece tries to articulate that even NASA admits about various points the author is trying to make, while including links/urls to backup such claims. However, none of the links/urls are to NASA sites/articles/studies. Instead, the links/urls are to other websites that opinionate around things and for some of what NASA has or has not stated. Here's a link/url to an actual NASA piece/site that talks a bit about the Milankovitch related subject. Although I don't think the NASA piece in question is an actual scientific piece (seems almost summary based), what do you think after reading some of what NASA has actually said:
- https://science.nasa.gov/science-re...l-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/

I laughed when I read in the piece about the uncertainty of climate change predictions because of how imprecise current weather forecasting is. As we have already discussed many times over, the attempted logic behind that sort of argument doesn't make lots of sense, two fairly different sets of techniques and science. I think it's completely valid to question the accuracy of current climate change predictions and science. However, do you honestly still believe there is lots of logic to the attempt to link in about current weather forecasting uncertainties? I suggest you do yourself a favour and just stop that line of reasoning, since I think you are more credible without it.

Completely valid to argue about the economic impacts of climate change or impacts of movement away from fossil fuels, and how we'll have to successfully come together as a world to get things moving right. So your suggestion is to follow what the author of that piece would like you to believe, for everyone to just put our heads in the sand as the best strategy? Do you honestly think China doesn't also already know about what's going on? Don't you remember not that long ago about how, related to one of your other cut and paste articles, there was also mention about some of where China is already also successfully moving for towards advancements about EVs?
 
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SteinwayTransitCorp

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Did you actually read those words you copy and paste posted? I don't think it's a very well written piece. Do you believe that piece demonstrates science and facts behind what it is trying to articulate?

I found it funny that the piece tried to assert what the core beliefs were behind all of what any or all climate change believers believe in. I think the purpose of the piece was actually more about telling you what it wants you to believe, about what climate change believers believe, while at the same time also trying to dismiss to you about climate change and believers beliefs, as something else it wants you to believe. Did the author succeed in convincing you to believe in all of what they wanted you to believe?

I could only cleanly find 3 of 5 core beliefs listed by the author in the piece. For me, the piece doesn't seem to list out whatever the author thought was the other 2 of 5 core climate change believers beliefs. After somewhat cleanly listing near the start of the piece about 3 of 5 things the author wanted to express as believers core beliefs, the author then seemed to get into beliefs and arguements that the author believes in, no longer about what the author was trying to say as core beliefs of climate change believers. What did you understand, from what the piece wrote, to be the 5 core beliefs of climate change believers?

I found the point the author tried to make about CO2 not being harmful to be quite laughable, in context of what the author did not say about CO2 also being harmful. In a comparable sense, in order for what the author said to make any logical sense, to me the author would basically also have to argue that H2O is completely safe, while ignoring the fact many people frequently drown in H2O and lots of life on earth is also frequently wiped out from storms/floods. Did you catch that?

I found that the piece tries to articulate that even NASA admits about various points the author is trying to make, while including links/urls to backup such claims. However, none of the links/urls are to NASA sites/articles/studies. Instead, the links/urls are to other websites that opinionate around things and for some of what NASA has or has not stated. Here's a link/url to an actual NASA piece/site that talks a bit about the Milankovitch related subject. Although I don't think the NASA piece in question is an actual scientific piece (seems almost summary based), what do you think after reading some of what NASA has actually said:
- https://science.nasa.gov/science-re...l-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/

I laughed when I read in the piece about the uncertainty of climate change predictions because of how imprecise current weather forecasting is. As we have already discussed many times over, the attempted logic behind that sort of argument doesn't make lots of sense, two fairly different sets of techniques and science. I think it's completely valid to question the accuracy of current climate change predictions and science. However, do you honestly still believe there is lots of logic to the attempt to link in about current weather forecasting uncertainties? I suggest you do yourself a favour and just stop that line of reasoning, since I think you are more credible without it.

Completely valid to argue about the economic impacts of climate change or impacts of movement away from fossil fuels, and how we'll have to successfully come together as a world to get things moving right. So your suggestion is to follow what the author of that piece would like you to believe, for everyone to just put our heads in the sand as the best strategy? Do you honestly think China doesn't also already know about what's going on? Don't you remember not that long ago about how, related to one of your other cut and paste articles, there was also mention about some of where China is already also successfully moving for towards advancements about EVs?
Why reply at all……….
 

spARTacus

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Why reply at all……….
Is that a question to me, or a question to yourself?

If it's a question to me, then don't you think it's obvious by now that there are aspects of what you post that are questionable and therefore worthy of a response from me, to point out or to elicit for further clarification or discussion? After all, you are the one that has previously mentioned on several occasions about how you think you are only scientific and factual in manner and desire for open discussion.

If it was a question for yourself, then only you can truly answer why you might not want to further respond or discuss.
 

SteinwayTransitCorp

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Is that a question to me, or a question to yourself?

If it's a question to me, then don't you think it's obvious by now that there are aspects of what you post that are questionable and therefore worthy of a response from me, to point out or to elicit for further clarification or discussion? After all, you are the one that has previously mentioned on several occasions about how you think you are only scientific and factual in manner and desire for open discussion.

If it was a question for yourself, then only you can truly answer why you might not want to further respond or discuss.
Why respond
 
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